Sunday, October 13, 2019

4 C. J. Rowe’s arguments for a late dating of the Phaedrus – the Phaedrus and the Republic, with reference to the Laws


In ‘The argument and structure of Plato’s Phaedrus’ (Proceedings of the Cambridge Philological Society, 1986, pp. 106-125) Rowe says: ‘Finally, some brief remarks about dating. There is at present no clear consensus on the question: some regard the Phaedrus as belonging with the middle dialogues; others group it with the late dialogues like the Theaetetus or the Politicus [i.e. Statesman]. I make the following observations. 1. Those who hold the first view usually at least implicitly rely on the close resemblance between some of the main ideas contained in Socrates’ speech and those of the Republic, the Symposium, and the Phaedo: including, most notably, the idea of separated Forms and that of learning as recollection. What has not been sufficiently recognised is that these ideas appear in the Phaedrus exclusively in the framework of a muthos. If no muthos is to be taken as literally true (see p. 116 above), the result will be to throw immediate doubt on their status. In general, the Phaedrus seems to expound middle-period ideas only to recommend them for scrutiny. If so, it has more in common with the critical musings of the Parmenides than with the optimistic constructions of the middle dialogues themselves.’

To begin with, let me note that there is no ‘learning as recollection’ in the Republic and in the Symposium.

In this post I shall discuss Rowe’s claim that Plato in the Phaedrus presents ‘the idea of separated Forms’ exclusively in the framework of a muthos, thus ‘throwing immediate doubt on its status’. His related claim that ‘the Phaedrus seems to expound middle-period ideas only to recommend them for scrutiny’ I shall discuss in so far as it concerns the Phaedrus and the Republic.

In support of these claims, on p. 116 of his article, Rowe quotes the words with which Socrates reflects on his Palinode: ‘… by expressing the experience of love through some kind of simile (ouk oid’ hopȇi to erȏtikon pathos apeikazontes), which allowed us perhaps to grasp some truth (isȏs men alȇthous tinos ephaptomenoi), though may be it also took us in a wrong direction (tacha d’ an allose parapheromenoi), and mixing together a not wholly implausible speech (kerasantes ou pantapasin apithanon logon), we sang a playful hymn in the form of a story (muthikon tina humnon prosepaisamen) … to my master, and yours (ton emon te kai ton son despotȇn), Phaedrus (ȏ Phaidre) – Love (Erȏta), watcher over beautiful boys (kalȏn paidȏn ephoron, 265b6-c3)’.

Socrates says that in his mythical hymn he ‘perhaps grasped some truth’. To me it sounds as an understatement with which Socrates refers to the way in which he introduced ‘the Forms’ in his Palinode: ‘The region above the heavens (Ton de huperouranion topon) has never yet been celebrated as it deserves by an earthly poet (oute tis humnȇse pȏ tȏn tȇide poiȇtȇs), nor will it ever be (oute pote humnȇsei kat’ axian). But it is like this (echei de hȏde) – for one must be bold enough to say what is true (tolmȇteon gar oun to ge alȇthes eipein), especially when speaking about truth (allȏs te kai peri alȇtheias legonta). This region is occupied by being which really is, which is without colour or shape, intangible, observable by the steersman of the sole alone, by intellect, and to which the class of true knowledge relates (hȇ gar achrȏmatos te kai aschȇmatistos kai anaphȇs ousia ontȏs ousa, psuchȇs kubernȇtȇi monȏi theatȇ nȏi, peri hȇs to tȇs alȇthous epistȇmȇs genos, touton echei ton topon).’ (247c3d1)

The ancient tradition according to which the Phaedrus is Plato’s first dialogue allows us to fully appreciate the enthusiasm with which Plato presents to the reader his great discovery. Furthermore, it allows us to appreciate Plato’s reference to it in the Laws: ‘Truth (alȇtheia dȇ) is the guiding principle of everything good for gods (pantȏn men agathȏn theois hȇgeitai) and of everything good for men (pantȏn de anthrȏpois); a man who is to be blessed and happy would partake of it straight at the beginning (hȇs ho genȇsesthai mellȏn makarios te kai eudaimȏn ex archȇs metochos eiȇ), so that he might live as a man of truth as long time as possible (hina hȏs pleiston chronon alȇthȇs diabioi); for he can be trusted (pistos gar). (730c1-4)

But let me return to Rowe’s claims. Is he right when he says that since Plato in the Phaedrus presents ‘the idea of separated Forms’ exclusively in the framework of a muthos, he is thus ‘throwing immediate doubt on its status’? In an effort to get an objective answer to this question, let me point to the Republic, in which Plato too introduces the Forms within the framework of a muthos, namely the muthos by which he creates the republic (hȇ politeia hȇn muthologoumen logȏi, 501e4).

The occasion for introducing the Forms in the Republic is as follows. Socrates says that ‘until philosophers are kings in their cities (Ean mȇ ȇ hoi philosophoi basileusȏsin en tais polesin), or the kings and princes of this world have the spirit and power of philosophy (ȇ hoi basilȇs te nun legomenoi kai dunastai philosophȇsȏsi gnȇsiȏs kai hikanȏs) … cities will never have rest from their evils … my dear Glaucon (ouk esti kakȏn paula, ȏ phile Glaukȏn, tais polesi)’. At hearing this, Glaucon says: ‘Socrates (Ō Sȏkrates), consider that the word which you have uttered is one at which numerous persons (toiouton embeblȇkas rȇma te kai logon hon eipȏn hȇgou epi se panu pollous te), and very respectable persons too (kai ou phaulous nun houtȏs), in a figure pulling off their cloaks all in a moment and seizing any weapon that comes to hand (hoion ripsantas ta himatia, gumnous labontas hoti hekastȏi paretuchen hoplon), will run at you might and main before you know where you are, intending to do heaven knows what (thein diatetamenous hȏs thaumasia ergasomenous); and if you don’t prepare an answer (hous ei mȇ amunȇi tȏi logȏi) and make good your escape (kai ekpheuxȇi), you will be “pared by their fine wits”, and no mistake (tȏi onti tȏthazomenos dȏseis dikȇn).’ (473c11-474a4, translations from the Republic are in this post B. Jowett’s)

To escape, Socrates embarks on explaining the nature of philosophers who are to rule in the state. He begins by defining them as ‘the lovers of the vision of truth’ (tous tȇs alȇtheias philotheamonas, 475e4) and goes on to explain the truth (tȇn alȇtheian) as the Forms (ta eidȇ, 476a5, idea, 479a1).

The connection of the introduction of the Forms in the Republic with the introduction of ‘the Forms’ in the Phaedrus appears to be unmistakable – I put the Phaedran ‘Forms‘ in quotation marks, for in the Phaedrus Plato does not use the terms eidos and idea with reference to the Forms; instead, he uses the terms truth (alȇtheia) and being which really is (ousia ontȏs ousa). On Rowe’s interpretation, presumably, it is this introduction of the Forms in the Republic that Plato ‘throws in doubt’ with his vision of Truth in the Phaedrus. On my interpretation, introducing the Forms in the Republic, Plato looks back on his vision of Truth in the Phaedrus, bringing in the terms eidos and idea – translated as Forms or Ideas – as terms that best express the act of intellectual vision, with which we comprehend true being, to on ontȏs, ousian ontȏs ousan.
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When Glaucon asked what Socrates meant by ‘the lovers of the vision of truth’, Socrates said: ‘To another I might have a difficulty in explaining (Oudamȏs raidiȏs pros ge allon) [Glaucon is Plato’s younger brother]; but I am sure that you will admit a proposition which I am about to make (su de oimai homologȇsein moi to toionde).’ – Glaucon: ‘What is the proposition (To poion;)?’ – S.: ‘That since beauty is the opposite of ugliness (Epeidȇ estin enantion kalon aischrȏi), they are two (duo autȏ einai;)?’ – G.: ‘Certainly (Pȏs d’ ou;).’ – S.: ‘And inasmuch as they are two (Oukoun epeidȇ duo), each of them is one (kai hen hekateron;)?’ – G.: ’True again (Kai touto).’ – S.: ‘And of just (Kai peri dikaiou) and unjust (kai adikou), good (kai agathou) and evil (kai kakou), and of every other Form (kai pantȏn tȏn eidȏn peri), the same remark holds (ho autos logos); taken singly, each of them is one (auto men hen hekaston einai); but from various combinations of them with actions and bodies and with one another (tȇi de tȏn praxeȏn kai sȏmatȏn kai allȇlȏn koinȏniai), they are seen in all sorts of lights and appear many (pantachou phantazomena polla phainesthai hekaston)?’ – G.: ‘Very true (Orthȏs legeis).’

Adam notes in his commentary: ‘This is the first appearance of the Theory of “Ideas” properly so called in the Republic.’

Socrates continues: ‘And this is the distinction which I draw (Tautȇi toinun diairȏ) between the sight-loving, art-loving, practical class which you have mentioned (chȏris men hous nundȇ eleges philotheamonas te kai philotechnas kai praktikous), and those of whom I am speaking (kai chȏris au peri hȏn ho logos), and who are alone worthy of the name of philosophers (hous monous an tis orthȏs proseipoi philosophous).’ – G.: ‘How do you distinguish them (Pȏs legeis;)?’ – S.: ‘The lovers of sounds and sights (Hoi men pou philȇkooi kai philotheamones) … their mind is incapable of seeing or loving absolute beauty (autou de tou kalou adunatos autȏn hȇ dianoia tȇn phusin idein te kai aspasasthai [‘to see and to love’, Jowett’s “or” is wrong]).’

The editors of Jowett’s translation say in the footnote: ‘Both “absolute beauty” and ‘Idea of beauty” are attempts to render the Greek phrase “the beautiful itself” (auto to kalon). The noun idea does not occur here.’

Glaucon.: ‘The fact is plain (Echei gar oun dȇ houtȏs).’ – S.: ‘Few are they who are able to attain to this ideal beauty and contemplate it (Hoi de dȇ ep’ auto to kalon dunatoi ienai te kai horan kath’ hauto ara ou spanioi an eien;).’ – G. ‘Very true (Kai mala).’ – S.: 'And he who, having a sense of beautiful things (Ho oun kala men pragmata nomizȏn), has no sense of absolute beauty (auto de to kallos mȇte nomizȏn), or who, if another lead him to a knowledge of that beauty, is unable to follow (mȇte, an tis hȇgȇtai epi tȇn gnȏsin autou, dunamenos hepesthai) – of such a one I ask, Is he awake or in a dream only (onar ȇ hupar dokei soi zȇn;)? Reflect (skopei de): is not the dreamer (to oneirȏttein ara ou tode estin), sleeping or waking, one who likens dissimilar things, who puts the copy in place of the real object (eante en hupnȏi tis eant’ egrȇgorȏs to homoion tȏi mȇ homoion all’ auto hȇgȇtai hȏi eoiken;)?’ – G.: ‘I should certainly say (Egȏ g’oun an phaiȇn) that such a one is dreaming (oneirȏttein ton toiouton).’ – S.: ‘But (Ti de;) he who, on the contrary, recognizes the existence of absolute beauty (ho t’anantia toutȏn hȇgoumenos te ti auto to kalon) and is able to contemplate both the Idea (kai dunamenos kathoran kai auto) and the objects which participate in it (kai ta ekeinou metechonta), neither putting the objects in the place of the Idea nor the Idea in the place of the objects (kai oute ta metechonta auto oute auto ta metechonta hȇgoumenos) – is he a dreamer, or is he awake (hupar ȇ onar au kai houtos dokei soi zȇn;)? – G.: ‘He is wide awake (Kai mala hupar).’ – S. ‘And since he knows, it would be right to describe his state of mind as knowledge (Oukoun toutou men tȇn dianoian hȏs gignȏskontos gnȏmȇn an orthȏs phaimen einai)?’ – G.: ‘Certainly (Panu men oun).’ (475e6-476d7) … Socrates: ‘And have we not a right to say in his defence (Ar’ oun dȇ ou metriȏs apologȇsometha) that the true lover of knowledge is always striving after being – that is his nature (hoti pros to on pephukȏs eiȇ hamillasthai ho ge ontȏs philomathȇs); he will not rest in the multiplicity of individuals which is an appearance only (kai ouk epimenoi epi tois doxazomenois einai pollois hekastois), but will go on (all’ ioi) – the keen edge will not be blunted (kai ouk amblunoito) nor the force of his desire abate (oud apolȇgoi tou erȏtos) until he has attained the knowledge of the true nature of every essence (prin autou ho estin hekastou tȇs phuseȏs hapsasthai) by a sympathetic and kindred power in the soul (hȏi prosȇkei ephaptesthai tou toioutou, prosȇkei de sungenei), and by that power drawing near and mingling and becoming incorporate with very being (hȏi plȇsiasas kai migeis tȏi onti ontȏs), having begotten mind and truth (gennȇsas noun kai alȇtheian), he will have knowledge (gnoiȇ te) and will truly live (kai alȇthȏs zȏiȇ) and grow (kai trephoito); and then and not till then will he cease from his travail (kai houtȏ lȇgoi ȏdinos, prin d’ou, 490a8-b7). – Jowett’s ‘travail’ for Plato’s ȏdinȇ obscures the connection to ȏdinai ‘philosopher-lover’s pains’ (Rowe: ‘birth-pains’, Hackforth: ‘sufferings’) at Phaedrus 251e5.

After some more explanation, Socrates ends his defence against those ‘numerous persons and very respectable persons too’ who were ready to attack him ‘pulling off their cloaks and seizing any weapon that comes to hand running at him might and main’ (cf. Glaucon’s warning at 473e6-474a4): ‘Then will they still be angry (Eti oun agrianousi) at our saying (legontȏn hȇmȏn) that until philosophers bear rule (hoti prin an poleȏs to philosophon genos enkrates genȇtai), States and individuals have no rest from evil (oute polei oute politais kakȏn paula estai), nor will this our imaginary State ever be realized (oude hȇ politeia hȇn muthologoumen logȏi ergȏi telos lȇpsetai)?’ – Adeimantos [Plato’s older brother] replied: ‘I think they will be less angry (Isȏs hȇtton).’ (501e2-6)

There appears to be no connection between Rowe’s ‘we sang a playful hymn in the form of a story’ in the Phaedrus and Jowett’s ‘this our imaginary State’ in the Republic. The connection becomes nevertheless obvious if we realise that Rowe’s ‘we sang a playful hymn in the form of a story’ stands for muthikon tina humnon prosepaisamen and Jowett’s ‘this our imaginary State’ stands for hȇ politeia hȇn muthologoumen logȏi. In the Phaedrus Socrates views the Palinode, in which he introduced ‘the Forms’, as a myth (265b6-8)’, in the Republic Socrates introduced the Forms in the myth with which he was creating the ideal State. Socrates’ depiction of a true philosopher in Republic 473c 11-501e5 has much in common with the depiction of the true philosopher-lover in the Phaedran Palinode. In both cases the true philosopher is the one who can see the truth (tȇn alȇtheian, Phdr. 247c, Rep. 475e4), and in both cases the truth is identified with being that truly is (ousia ontȏs ousa, Phdr. 247c7, to on ontȏs, Rep. 490b5). In the Phaedran Palinode the attention is focussed on true beauty, on ‘beauty itself’ (auto to kallos. 250e2); correspondingly, the Form on which Plato focusses attention in the Republic is ‘the beautiful itself’ (auto to kalon, 476a10, auto kallos, 476c2).

Finally, note the correspondence between ‘touching on some truth’ (alȇthous tinos ephaptomenoi) in the passage in which the Palinode is characterized as a muthos, in the Phaedrus, and the passage in the Republic in which Socrates says that the true philosopher’s ‘desire won’t abate (oud apolȇgoi tou erȏtos) until he has touched on the true nature of every essence (prin autou ho estin hekastou tȇs phuseȏs hapsasthai) by that part of him that is fit to touch on it (hȏi prosȇkei ephaptesthai tou toioutou, 490b2-4)’. In the Phaedran Palinode Socrates maintains that ‘the mind of the philosopher (hȇ tou philosophou dianoia) is always as close as possible, through memory, to those things (pros ekeinois aei estin mnȇmȇi kata dunamin), to which his closeness gives god his divinity (pros hoisper theos ȏn theios estin, 249c4-6). By ‘those things’ Socrates refers to ‘being that truly is’ (to on ontȏs, 249c4), which the soul saw in its pre-incarnation state, when it still had its wings.

Plato in the Republic goes further than in the Phaedrus, where the philosopher’s mind can be with the ’being that truly is’ only through memory; the philosopher who is to rule the State must have a direct knowledge of the Forms, that is of ‘that which truly is’.

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